並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1208-%E6%AD%A3%E6%88%90%E9%9B%86%E5%9C%98%E8%B4%8A%E5%8A%A9%E6%92%AD%E5%87%BA-%E8%AE%93%E4%BD%A0%E5%B9%BB%E6%BB%85%E7%9A%84%E8%8B%B1%E5%9C%8B%E7%8E%8B%E5%AD%90-%E4%B8%80%E5%80%8B%E5%8F%AA%E6%9C%8930-%E7%9A%84%E4%BA%BA%E4%BA%A4%E5%B9%B4%E8%B2%BB%E7%9A%84%E5%9C%98%E9%AB%94-%E6%8E%A8%E8%96%A6-podcast/id1106847606?i=1000458989864
